The stock market and the economy are stuck on different pages - but the Fed's going to get the last word (2024)

Welcome back, Opening Bell crew. I'm Phil Rosen, reporting from New York City.

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This morning I'm thinking about Joseph Heller's 1961 book "Catch-22." Since it came out, the name's become a colloquial way of describing a snafu defined by conflicting ideas.

Heller coined the term in describing a soldier who wishes to stop flying dangerous combat missions.

But soldiers can only be grounded if they are found "unfit to fly."

"Unfit," however, is defined as any pilot who is willing to fly such dangerous missions, which is nobody.

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That means the pilots who are wise enough to request to stop flying is proof that they are indeed fit to fly.

"Anyone who wants to get out of combat duty isn't really crazy," as Heller put it.

It's one of my favorite books, and the idea is relevant today because "Catch-22" is a fitting characterization of what's facing stocks and economy right now.

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1. Good news isn't good news and bad news is good news. Make sense?

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No? You're not alone. Investors are having a tough time with it too.

Here are the basics:

  • From consumer spending to jobs, we've gotten a wave of strong economic data recently
  • Stocks go down when upbeat economic data comes out
  • Investors don't like the good news because it means the Fed is going to carry on with restrictive monetary policy.

Hence, good news = bad news.

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But the catch is that investors and companies, in theory, should want robust economic data to keep coming, despite the potential for more interest rate hikes, because those numbers are exactly what can stave off a deep recession.

The better that good news looks, the more likely it is that the economy can sidestep a downturn.

To be sure, inflation remains hot, as we saw in Friday's Personal Consumption Expenditure data — the Fed's preferred inflation gauge. Stocks tumbled on the higher-than-expected reading.

The falling stocks come after a breakneck start to the year, as retail investors have piled record amounts into the stock market over the last two months, despite warnings from Wall Street giants that the bear market isn't over.

Tim Gramatovich, the chief investment officer of Gateway Credit, told me that it's been perplexing to watch the market rise in the face of the Fed's aggressive agenda.

"I've been in the higher-for-longer camp on rates, and for as long as I can remember 'don't fight the Fed' was good advice," he said. "I'm not sure why so many people choose to ignore that."

Meanwhile, Callie Cox, US analyst for eToro, pointed out, too, that markets are forward-looking whereas most economic data isn't, which suggests stocks can sometimes be a leading indicator for the economy.

Even as many top commentators are split on the outlook for the economy, markets appear stuck digesting a host of mixed signals, from strong economic data on the one hand, to fears of higher rates on the other.

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In the end, though, it's still the Fed that will most likely have the last word.

What's your take on the good news-bad news conundrum with markets and the economy? Tweet me (@philrosenn) or email me ([email protected]) to let me know.

In other news:

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2.US stock futures rise early Monday,following a rough week on Wall Streetthat ended withthe Fed's preferred inflation gaugeshowinga stronger-than-expected increase in prices.Here are the latest market moves.

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3. Earnings on deck: Zoom, HEICO, and more, all reporting.

4. Make these contrarian investments now to profit, according to a Fidelity strategy director. Many vocal stock-market bears have spoken up in recent weeks, but Denise Chisholm thinks plenty of pain is already priced in, which sets up further gains ahead. Here are the five trades she likes.

5. On Friday, the one-year anniversary of Russia's war in Ukraine, the US and G-7 allies hit Russia with fresh sanctions. Restrictions targeted 200 individuals and entities that are supporting Moscow's war efforts, the US said. Get the full details.

6. Elon Musk weighed in on Fed policy again. The billionaire Tesla chief has warned that the central bank could crush the value of the entire stock market. In his words: "A bad Fed decision affects the lives of everyone."

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7. Larry Summers warned the US economy may be inching closer to the cliff edge. Rising inventories and dwindling savings are among the key factors threatening the sturdiness of the economy, the former Treasury chief said. "People may be reading a bit too much into the moment in terms of economic strength."

8. Real estate strategies like "zero-money-down" and wholesaling won't work in 2023. That's according to one investor who owns over 1,250 units and retired by age 36. Here's the approach he recommends instead for the new year.

9. This freelance writer's "hourly earning potential" is $215. He's 27 years old, and said he uses ChatGPT and other writing tools to boost his efficiency. He shared with Insider how he maximizes earnings without a day job and how to secure competitive rates from clients.

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10. Russia's war in Ukraine has dramatically shifted global markets. Flows for oil and gas in particular look starkly different than a year ago. These four charts show how the conflict has impacted the energy landscape.

Curated by Phil Rosen in New York. Feedback or tips? Tweet @philrosenn or email [email protected].

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Edited by Max Adams (@maxradams) in New York and Hallam Bullock (@hallam_bullock) in London.

The stock market and the economy are stuck on different pages - but the Fed's going to get the last word (2024)

FAQs

Why is the stock market so strong when the economy is weak? ›

The stock market is forward-looking, meaning stock prices are based on expectations of companies' future earnings, not just present earnings. In that sense, it's possible for the market to be less impacted by current circ*mstances if investors feel there's a bright future ahead.

What is the difference between the stock market and the economy? ›

Key takeaways:

The stock market is where investors can buy and sell shares of publicly traded companies. The economy represents how money is being made and spent by a country's citizens, companies, and governments. Economic growth is typically measured by gross domestic product (GDP).

Is the stock market not the economy? ›

“The stock market is not the economy” is a phrase that gets used quite often. Many pundits argue that the fluctuations of the major indexes tasked with tracking the performance of the country's biggest companies have little impact on the average American, as the majority of shares trade hands among the super-wealthy.

Why is the stock market going up when the economy is down? ›

The S&P 500 surprisingly rose an average of 1% during all recession periods since 1945. That's because markets usually top out before the start of recessions and bottom out before their conclusion. In other words, the worst is over for stocks before it's over for the rest of the economy.

What is the main weakness of a market economy? ›

The benefits of a market economy include increased efficiency, production, and innovation. The disadvantages of a market economy include monopolies, no government intervention, poor working conditions, and unemployment.

Why is the stock market doing so well right now? ›

And one of the biggest reasons that stocks have continued to rise is the fact that the economy has remained healthy and continued to grow, despite those high rates. The labor market is looking really strong.

Why is the stock market so important to the economy? ›

Raising Capital: Most importantly, the stock market offers a platform where companies raise funds by issuing stocks. This capital is essential for business expansion, research and development, and other corporate initiatives. By selling shares to the public, companies gain access to these funds without incurring debt.

What is the relationship between the stock market and economic growth? ›

Due to market volatility, it is possible for stock prices to fall in good economic times as well as rise in bad ones. The stock market prices are likely to reflect the same sentiment if the GDP is increasing and the economy appears to be improving, though not always in the short term.

Does the stock market predict the economy? ›

Stock indexes reflect investor confidence and, to some degree, the health of the overall economy. Other indicators are used to track the immediate past performance of the economy, as well as to forecast its future.

Do we need the stock market? ›

The stock market helps both businesses and investors by: Offering companies a place to raise money to help grow their business and the economy. Enabling individuals to choose from a wide range of investments and give their retirement savings a chance to grow in value over time.

What if there were no stock market? ›

Without a stock market, purchasing shares directly from a company or selling directly to new investors would be more complex and expensive. Business growth would be more difficult if companies could not have an initial public offering or issue new shares to raise money.

Is the stock market a form of capitalism? ›

Finance capitalism is characterized by a predominance of the pursuit of profit from the purchase and sale of, or investment in, currencies and financial products such as bonds, stocks, futures and other derivatives.

What happens to the stock market if the economy crashes? ›

Sometimes, however, the economy turns or an asset bubble pops—in which case, markets crash. Investors who experience a crash can lose money if they sell their positions, instead of waiting it out for a rise. Those who have purchased stock on margin may be forced to liquidate at a loss due to margin calls.

Has the stock market ever bottomed before a recession? ›

Typically, the stock market bottoms four to five months before a recession ends, but RBC's research details that it has bottomed as early as nine months before the end of a recession. There is one exception: the 2001 recession, in which the stock market bottomed 10 months later.

Should you buy stock during a recession? ›

And, if prices start to rise, you'll end up buying more shares at the lower prices and fewer shares when your favorite stocks start to get more expensive. In a nutshell, a recession can be a great time to buy the stocks of top-notch businesses at favorable prices.

Why is the US market so strong? ›

Analysts say a strong economy, moderating inflation, robust corporate profits, and trust in the Federal Reserve are buoying investor confidence and helping stocks rise. However, they warn that trouble could be around the corner if any of those factors fall out of balance.

Why does the stock market grow faster than the economy? ›

It represents the total dollar value of all goods and services produced over a specific time period, often referred to as the size of the economy. For stock prices to grow faster than the GDP, either price has to grow faster than earnings or earnings have to grow faster than GDP.

Why does the economy rely on the stock market? ›

Raising Capital: Most importantly, the stock market offers a platform where companies raise funds by issuing stocks. This capital is essential for business expansion, research and development, and other corporate initiatives. By selling shares to the public, companies gain access to these funds without incurring debt.

Is economic decline a good time to buy stocks? ›

Reasons to invest more—or not

The sharp declines in stock prices that occur during a crisis or recession may present good opportunities to invest. Some companies may be undervalued by the market.

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