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User profile for user: cometcole
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Ever since this horrific ios update things have been acting strange on my iPhone and my iPad. I never turn bluetooth on using my iPad, I always have it turned off. However, every time I restart the iPad, the my bluetooth some how turns on automatically. Does anyone know how I can fix this?
iPad Air Wi-Fi, iOS 11.0.3
Posted on Oct 25, 2017 3:05 PM
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User profile for user: FishingAddict
FishingAddict
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Posted on Nov 30, 2017 4:42 PM
I'll have to disagree that there is no reason to disable the bluetooth radio. It should be considered a security best practice to disable all radios, settings, services, applications, and any other part of any computing system that you have no need for. The same goes for iOS and bluetooth. If you don't use it, you should of course disable it and expect that it stays disabled. Bluetooth vulnerabilities have existed in the past and will exist in the future and therefore it's best to remove that vulnerability by disabling it if not using it. Here is just one of many articles about recent bluetooth flaws that I easily found with a quick search (https://www.forbes.com/sites/lconstantin/2017/09/12/critical-bluetooth-flaws-put -over-5-billion-devices-at-risk-of-hacki…).
I would argue that Apple's decision to change the behavior of the Control Center bluetooth and WiFi icons is a significant security regression. If a user believes that they have disabled a feature or radio by toggling off a UI item then it should stay disabled until the user chooses to change that setting again. If they wanted to add two additional but clearly identifiable new icons to Control Center for "Pause Bluetooth" and "Pause WiFi", then that would have been fine -- but instead they made a really poor UI decision by changing the expected behavior if existing icons. It is ridiculous to expect that the majority of iOS users understand that changing settings in Control Center has a different pseudo-result vs. changing those settings in the Settings app.
I really hope that Apple corrects this poor choice in a future iOS version.
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User profile for user: FishingAddict
FishingAddict
User level: Level4 2,533 points
Nov 30, 2017 4:42 PM in response to lobsterghost1
I'll have to disagree that there is no reason to disable the bluetooth radio. It should be considered a security best practice to disable all radios, settings, services, applications, and any other part of any computing system that you have no need for. The same goes for iOS and bluetooth. If you don't use it, you should of course disable it and expect that it stays disabled. Bluetooth vulnerabilities have existed in the past and will exist in the future and therefore it's best to remove that vulnerability by disabling it if not using it. Here is just one of many articles about recent bluetooth flaws that I easily found with a quick search (https://www.forbes.com/sites/lconstantin/2017/09/12/critical-bluetooth-flaws-put -over-5-billion-devices-at-risk-of-hacki…).
I would argue that Apple's decision to change the behavior of the Control Center bluetooth and WiFi icons is a significant security regression. If a user believes that they have disabled a feature or radio by toggling off a UI item then it should stay disabled until the user chooses to change that setting again. If they wanted to add two additional but clearly identifiable new icons to Control Center for "Pause Bluetooth" and "Pause WiFi", then that would have been fine -- but instead they made a really poor UI decision by changing the expected behavior if existing icons. It is ridiculous to expect that the majority of iOS users understand that changing settings in Control Center has a different pseudo-result vs. changing those settings in the Settings app.
I really hope that Apple corrects this poor choice in a future iOS version.
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cometcole Author
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Oct 31, 2017 11:29 AM in response to lobsterghost1
As I informed the previous responder, I am well aware of how to turn bluetooth on or off. The question clearly states that I usually have bluetooth turned off, which would obviously indicate that I know how to turn the feature on/off. The question is in regards to the feature automatically (without me doing it) being turned on when I restart the iPad.
Recap:
I go to my settings and turn the bluetooth feature OFF
I restart my iPad and the feature is ON
My questions: why is it doing this? and is there a way to keep this feature from turning on after restart?
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annettefromshepherd
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Feb 1, 2018 6:45 AM in response to cometcole
We're all having the same issues. I DON'T WANT WiFi nor Bluetooth to turn on automatically. Those options should be wholly within the user's control. It's just another way of a big company tracking our data (location and more) and rolling it up for whatever nefarious purposes they have for doing so--and I purposely stated "nefarious" because if they weren't, there would be an option to opt-out of this automated process. Quite simply, I have been a loyal consumer of Apple phones since they were introduced (and a shareholder for almost as long), but am seriously considering switching to stupid Samsung to stop the constant "upgrades" Apple keeps doing. They are getting as bad as Microsoft, and THAT's saying something.
Apple: Can you please fix these issues--and stop trying to use us to "improve" your data without informed consent? It's gone beyond ridiculous. The first thing I now do each morning is turn off WiFi and Bluetooth on my phone. That really should not be part of my morning routine.
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cometcole Author
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Oct 31, 2017 8:01 AM in response to Philly_Phan
I strongly suggest that you read the question in it's entirety next time.
Aside from the fact that your response above doesn't even attempt to answer my question, the additional response you posted below is incorrect. I am well aware of how to turn bluetooth on and off, the actual question posed was why it turns on automatically after I turn it off.
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kubda
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Feb 5, 2018 9:18 PM in response to lobsterghost1
Moot point. Some of us just want to turn it off and have it ***stay off***. Just like was possible before the update (I avoided the update as long as I felt I could, and I'm really regretting caving).
I use Bluetooth very rarely, only to connect to a speaker once in awhile. Other than that I don't want it coming on... And I just noticed having it on makes my device visible to others (that might be a whole other issue for another thread but I can't imagine why I would want it visible to my neighbor!!)
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JoD173
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Jan 10, 2018 7:24 AM in response to cometcole
I have this issue as well and it’s beyond frustrating. I do not utilize Bluetooth and don’t intend to and don’t feel I should have to turn it off constantly. Whenever I get into my personal vehicle or work vehicle it turns on and it’s rather frustrating when my phone rings and I have to turn it off. For those of you who can’t understand why I wouldn’t utilize Bluetooth I’m in law enforcement. I don’t want the yahoo in the back of my squad hearing my phone conversation. While that instance is rare, my phone connecting to my car while I’m outside of my vehicle happens a lot.
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User profile for user: Rysz
Rysz
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Oct 25, 2017 5:57 PM in response to cometcole
To turn off Bluetooth (and Wi-Fi) completely off, use Settings. Control Center only disconnects your device and will reconnect under certain circ*mstances.
Use Bluetooth and Wi-Fi in Control Center with iOS 11
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208086
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User profile for user: JoD173
JoD173
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Jan 10, 2018 9:29 AM in response to lobsterghost1
It doesn’t stay off. I’ve turned it off in settings (not an idiot) and have to do so everyday (sometimes several times a day).
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Madmaraced
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Feb 11, 2018 6:43 PM in response to lobsterghost1
Of course I’m not wrong. Bluetooth uses battery and that is a FACT. If you’re down to your last 5% it makes a huge difference turning off 2/3 of the communication functions... and as for suggesting to turn off the cellular radio.. wouldn’t this make your iPhone an iPod? Can’t see much use in a phone without the ability to phone.
All bluetooth is vulnerable. All wifi is vulnerable. All NETWORKS are fundamentally vulnerable and if you think that apple have cracked the unhackable device you’re sadly mistaken. Personal secuirty is the only way to protect yourself against identity thieves and fraudsters so this is exactly the sort of message vigilant users should be asking.
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Madmaraced
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Feb 11, 2018 5:08 PM in response to lobsterghost1
As you can see at the top of the screen, this is TEMPORARY., so it doesn’t “STAY OFF”. You lot are so unhelpful
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Philly_Phan
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Jan 10, 2018 7:30 AM in response to JoD173
JoD173 wrote:
I have this issue as well and it’s beyond frustrating. I do not utilize Bluetooth and don’t intend to and don’t feel I should have to turn it off constantly. Whenever I get into my personal vehicle or work vehicle it turns on and it’s rather frustrating when my phone rings and I have to turn it off. For those of you who can’t understand why I wouldn’t utilize Bluetooth I’m in law enforcement. I don’t want the yahoo in the back of my squad hearing my phone conversation. While that instance is rare, my phone connecting to my car while I’m outside of my vehicle happens a lot.
Don't use Control Center - that does NOT turn off WiFi. Use Settings to turn off WiFi and it will be off FOREVER. If it does turn back on, YOUR PHONE IS BROKEN - take it to an Apple Store for repair/replacement.
Here's an interesting read.
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lobsterghost1
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Oct 31, 2017 11:59 AM in response to cometcole
My apologies. It wasn't clear to me you did understand that Apple made a change in how to manage Wifi/Bluetooth settings in iOS11. I'm thinking that it's off as long as you don't restart, but once you do, Apple is intentionally having the radio on and accessible again. Apple made this change because having Bluetooth on (the radio portion) helps with location services. There really is no reason to turn it off to begin with. You get to control what Bluetooth devices can connect with your iPad at all times.
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lobsterghost1
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Oct 31, 2017 8:15 AM in response to cometcole
If you turned it off in Control Center, it only disconnects, but does not turn off. The only way to turn Bluetooth off completely is to go to Settings > Bluetooth and turn it off there. If that is what you are doing, please advise.
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lobsterghost1
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Nov 30, 2017 1:06 PM in response to Bstriggo
It is a proven fact the Bluetooth radio uses very very little power at all. It cycles looking for a device, yes. But in doing so, the amount of power used is miniscule. Miniscule as in milliwatts. If your battery is draining, there's something else going on. Go to Settings > Battery and check what's using the most power.
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deggie
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Nov 30, 2017 2:16 PM in response to Bstriggo
If you do a search of this site you will see a post by one person that gave the amount of power used by an idle WiFi and Bluetooth on a cell phone. It is insignificant. And despite what one security company has said it is not a security hole. Since it is a minuscule use why not leave it on so you don't have to remember to turn it on when you try to use a BT device?
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Why is Bluetooth automatically turning on after restarting my iPad?
