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User profile for user: Kwooda
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Once upon a time, I could go into settings on my iPhone 6 Plus, and turn off bluetooth, and it would stay off. In fact, I had to actually go in to turn it on if I wanted to use it - something I’ve actually never done. It was always just off.
But now, I can’t get it to stay off. I have never used bluetooth on my phone. Ever. I don’t need it, and I don’t want it on. But every day - sometimes multiple times a day - I’ll open the control center and see that it’s on again. So, I have to unlock my phone and go into settings to ritualistically turn the bluetooth switch OFF, knowing I’m just going to have to repeat the process again later.
Is Apple planning to fix this? Nothing should ever enable a setting without the user’s knowledge or consent!
iPhone 6 Plus, iOS 12
Posted on Feb 27, 2019 7:43 AM
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User profile for user: Philly_Phan
Philly_Phan
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Posted on Mar 7, 2019 5:32 PM
CAUSE I DON'T USE IT AND I DON'T WANT IT ON.
Then you're going to have to turn it off every day. That's not rocket science. This is the way that the iPhone works. Apple designed the IOS so that BT functions this way to satisfy the needs and desires of a vast majority of iPhone users. Neither Apple nor any other successful business will inconvenience the majority of their customers to satisfy the illogical demands of one user. Perhaps if you investigate, you can find a smartphone manufacturer that will put your desires above that of all of the rest of their users.
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User profile for user: Philly_Phan
Philly_Phan
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Mar 7, 2019 5:32 PM in response to Kwooda
CAUSE I DON'T USE IT AND I DON'T WANT IT ON.
Then you're going to have to turn it off every day. That's not rocket science. This is the way that the iPhone works. Apple designed the IOS so that BT functions this way to satisfy the needs and desires of a vast majority of iPhone users. Neither Apple nor any other successful business will inconvenience the majority of their customers to satisfy the illogical demands of one user. Perhaps if you investigate, you can find a smartphone manufacturer that will put your desires above that of all of the rest of their users.
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Kwooda Author
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Mar 7, 2019 6:58 PM in response to Philly_Phan
Well, there's two very good reasons for turning it off. Can you give me any reason for turning it on?
So, tell me this: when the phone is in airplane mode with do not disturb turned on, how is it becoming aware that it is near anything? And do please give me one good reason why anybody would ever expect a feature to turn itself on, especially if security is a good reason to turn it off?
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deggie
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Mar 6, 2019 6:32 PM in response to Kwooda
A couple of questions:
Do you have any other Apple devices (iPad, computer, etc.)
When you go into Settings to turn off Bluetooth are you next going into Control Center to put your iPhone in Airplane mode?
Why are you putting it in Airplane mode?
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deggie
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Mar 7, 2019 7:40 PM in response to Kwooda
If you have used your computer with your iPhone as a personal hotspot it saves that on each device so you don't have to go through the hassle of setting it up again the next time you want to use it. Same thing as saving the settings on your home WiFi. You could look at your network history on your Mac and delete the previous pairing and on your iPhone do Settings > General > Reset > Reset Network Settings. You will have to reenter the passwords for any sites you previously used. If this does not work you would need to put your iPhone in Recovery Mode and save it as a new device and reload the macOS on your Mac.
You stated there are two good reasons to turn off Bluetooth, what are they? You do not save any power doing this and it is not a security risk. And turning on Do Not Disturb AND putting it in Airplane mode is redundant and not the way it is designed. I use Do Not Disturb nightly without going into Airplane mode and one important reason is to do an automatic backup to iCloud. I do still know people who might need to call me in the middle of the night and they are in my favorites so they can do so. I'm guessing there are no such people in your life. You might want to try turning off Bluetooth in Settings and then using Do Not Disturb but not Airplane mode and see if that changes the behavior.
I can assure you I am far from a millennial and so is Philly. The world has moved so far towards Bluetooth (remember the deleted headphone jack) that manufacturers really don't give turning it off much consideration. You can tell Apple you would prefer to be able to do so here: Feedback - iPhone - Apple
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Kwooda Author
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Feb 28, 2019 6:44 AM in response to Philly_Phan
I want it off, because it’s a wireless communication channel that I’m not using, and because I’m the customer and that’s what I want. Sorry I wasn’t looking for the Bluetooth Always On feature.
In case you missed it, the PROBLEM is: bluetooth doesn’t stay off.
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deggie
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Feb 27, 2019 7:55 AM in response to Kwooda
It will only stay off if you turn it off in Settings, the switch in Control Center only temporarily turns it off. If you have ever used Personal Hotspot, in either direction, AirDrop, Continuity, Handoff, etc. it will automatically turn on when you are near the device you used it with.
As he said, there is no reason to turn it off either for battery or security reasons.
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Kwooda Author
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Mar 3, 2019 4:29 AM in response to deggie
As I mentioned, I have never used Bluetooth. In fact, I put the phone in airplane mode and turn off notifications at night before going to bed, and in the morning, I turn on my phone to see that Bluetooth is enabled. I have no Bluetooth devices. I do not use Bluetooth. I have never used Bluetooth. The only thing I do with Bluetooth on my phone is turn it off. Every single day. Because it won't stay on.
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Kwooda Author
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Mar 6, 2019 10:21 PM in response to deggie
I have just the iPhone and a MacBook Pro. Bluetooth is off on the computer (and it stays off). On my iPhone, I go into SETTINGS to turn Bluetooth off. I have no other Bluetooth devices. I put my phone in airplane mode and turn off notifications through the Control Center before going to bed at night, and I put the phone on charge. In the morning, when I go to turn airplane mode off and turn on notifications, I see (in the Control Center) that Bluetooth is already enabled. So, every morning, I have the extra step of having to go into Settings to turn Bluetooth off. It seems to be turning itself on, somehow, when it is done charging. The phone doesn't move during the night, and there's no one else here, so it's not like something is coming within proximity of my phone at night. Something about charging the phone is causing Bluetooth to turn on by itself, even while in airplane mode. It's some kind of weird problem with the phone, and I guess there isn't a fix for it, but it didn't used to happen in the past before I upgraded the O.S. I think it started happening when I went from iOS 10 to iOS 11, because I was hoping it would be fixed in iOS 12, but it's still happening.
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deggie
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Mar 7, 2019 6:18 AM in response to Kwooda
I would suspect that at some time you have used Continuity/Handoff or your iPhone as a personal hotspot. Why don't you use Do Not Disturb instead of going through all of that? Why BT off on your computer?
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Kwooda Author
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Mar 7, 2019 5:19 PM in response to deggie
I don't know why everyone insists on asking me the same questions over and and over again. I have Bluetooth turned off ... BECAUSE I DON'T USE IT AND I DON'T WANT IT ON.
It's not rocket science.
Please pay attention to the reported problem, which is: Bluetooth doesn't stay off.
That's it. That's all.
As for Continuity/Handoff - I'm not even aware of what that is. I have used my iPhone as a hotspot before - would that have some contributing factor? If so, what is the resolution? Also, I use Do Not Disturb before going to bed at night - I believe I mentioned that in a previous comment, though not by that specific name. All I do is turn on airplane mode and do not disturb - quick and easy. All transmitters off, and no interruptions. Except Bluetooth keeps coming on. Although, for the first time, it was not on this morning! And I have no idea why, as I have done nothing different. Just lucky, I guess.
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Kwooda Author
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Mar 7, 2019 6:17 PM in response to deggie
- I am curious what role hotspot plays in the issue? Why would BT turn on by itself on the phone for any reason? It is disturbing that a communication channel would enable itself without consent. I have been asked repeatedly why I turn it off, and I guess what really needs to happen is for someone to give me some reason why it should be on. Because I can't think of one. Thanks for any insight you can provide.
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User profile for user: Philly_Phan
Philly_Phan
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Mar 7, 2019 6:17 PM in response to Kwooda
If you have ever used Personal Hotspot, in either direction, AirDrop, Continuity, Handoff, etc. it will automatically turn on when you are near the device you used it with.
As has been stated, there is no reason to turn it off either for battery or security reasons.
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Kwooda Author
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Mar 7, 2019 7:10 PM in response to Philly_Phan
Yes, you have repeatedly tried to hammer your opinion that this obvious flaw is somehow a feature, and have told me twice that battery and security are the only reasons for turning it off, so now you're moving the goal post. You have also repeatedly injected yourself into the discussion where you were not invited. I would very much like to get the input of other people who may actually have some level of technical knowledge and an attitude of wanting to offer something useful, rather than berate people who are having trouble with a device that is not working properly. Your input is not helpful, and your opinion and attitude are not welcome, and I would appreciate it if you would rise above yourself and save yourself (and others) some grief by bowing out of this thread.
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Kwooda Author
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Mar 7, 2019 7:15 PM in response to Philly_Phan
Furthermore, you have no business editing my posts, and since you have the ability to delete posts, I would appreciate it if you would delete everything below my response to deggie regarding Continuity and Handoff.
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Philly_Phan
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Mar 7, 2019 7:15 PM in response to Kwooda
So you refuse to accept that Apple deliberately designed the IOS so that the iPhone functions in that manner. Well, whether you like it or not, they did.
By the way, you're really not paying attention. Battery and security are NOT justifiable reasons for turning Bluetooth off.
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