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This analysis is insanely accurate! Published in 1875 by Samuel Benner, it identifies years of panic, as well as periods when to make money 😳The 150-year-old Benner Cycle has predicted almost all major crises since the mid-1920s. It accurately foresaw the Great Depression, WW2, the Dot Com bubble, and the recent COVID crash.The Benner Cycle quite accurately predicted how the markets will perform in 2023 as well. We haven't seen a dramatic crash but:- Major stock indices like the S&P 500 did experience a decline in 2023 ending the year around 5% lower than its 2022 peak.- The global economy faced tough challengeswith factors like inflation,rising interest rates,and the ongoing wars around the world contributing to economic uncertainty. Looking ahead, the Benner Cycle suggests that 2024 might be a year of gradual recovery, entering the "Prosperity Phase". This zone indicates a period of rising prices and economic expansion and a good time to buy assets.Fascinating 150-year-old math and logic.P.S. check out 🔔linas.substack.com🔔, it's the only newsletter you need for all things when Finance meets Technology. For founders, builders, and leaders.

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Ali Mozaffar, MBA, CPWA®

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Linas, your data on S&P performance for 2023 is incorrect. SPX rose 25% in 2023. And in regards to the chart, a basic understanding of economics and business cycles could explain it. It is not as accurate as you think. When you compile data for over 100 years, any prediction would have hits or misses. Do not ignore the "miss"es which would be the main factor to cancel out the reliability of the whole analysis.Specially, in this scenario, had you traded based on this prediction, you would have lost some of the major bull moves in the market. Just look at its recent prediction selling in 2016. There is plenty of data out there that shows if you missed a few good days or months of the market in the past 20 years, how much your performance would get hit. On that basis, I always have issues with choosing a specific prediction and sticking to it with high confidence, because at the time when it is wrong, it will very often hurt you to a point of no recover. Anyways, thank you for sharing and starting a healthy conversation on this. :)

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A response from GPT 4 on this:Samuel Benner's predictions, as outlined in his cycle, have seen mixed levels of accuracy when compared to historical financial events. Some of the key events that his cycle seemingly aligned and did not align with:Accurate:- The Great Depression (1929 to 1941)- Oil Crisis (1973)- Dot Com Bubble (1995 to 2002)- The Financial Crisis (2007 to 2008)Inaccurate:- Post-1873 Predictions: After predicting the crises of 1819, 1837, 1857, and 1873, the Benner cycle became less accurate.- False Predictions in 1965 and 1999: The Benner cycle gave false predictions for these years. For instance, 1999 was anticipated as a year of significant market downturn, but instead, it was marked by the height of the dot-com bubble.- The 2019 Prediction: While Benner predicted a recession in 2019, the sharp, deep recession that was expected started a little later, in early 2020.These discrepancies highlight the limitations of Benner's model, especially considering the complexity and evolving nature of modern financial markets. The cycle, based on agricultural commodity prices and simplistic cyclical patterns, does not account for the multitude of factors influencing today's global financial systems.

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Mike L.

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Hmm. So who is this fearless prognosticator you speak so highly of? Turns out his book is online https://tile.loc.gov/storage-services/public/gdcmassbookdig/bennersprophecie03benn/bennersprophecie03benn.pdfand on page 118, he does provide his explanation for the scientific basis of his work - namely, "“The cause producing the periodicity and length of these cycles may be found in our solar system…It may be a meteorological fact that Jupiter is the ruling element in our price cycles of natural productions; while also it may be suggested that Saturn exerts an influence regulating the cycles in manufacture and trade.”So it's Jupiter and Saturn's fault. Makes sense. Probably should have included Zeus in there as well. But I think I'll stick with index fund investing in the meantime. 😀

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Amer Mahmood

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This is a link to Benner’s bookhttps://stockmarketobservations.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/benners-prophecies-of-future-ups-and-downs-in-prices-by-samuel-benner.pdfHe is mapping pattern backwards in time and makes predictions upto no later than 1890. Someone has been putting this new graphic out as if it was Benner’s. The clue is to search not for Samuel Benner’s prediction, but when people are found talking about it and copying this graphic. All of those are fairly recent - for something to have been written in 1875 - you would expect sporadic mention of it through time every few decades at least.

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Anthony Hildoer

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What are you talking about? Just because the first day of 2022 was higher than the last day of 2023 doesn't mean that 2023 was a bad year for stocks or the economy. In actual reality, here the view of the S&P over the last two years, showing that 2023 was a banner year for stock growth. The last day of 2023 closed out like 30% higher than the last day of 2022, exactly contradicting the Benner Cycle.

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Vinod Yadav

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This is mind-boggling.

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Jeroen Coelen

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Wait till you hear about horoscopes

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Viktoria S.

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Riiiight. 🤔 Particularly April 19th-20th when Saturn in Pisces sextiles Jupiter conjunct Uranus in Taurus will be amazing for Business & Finance opportunities. As well as June 3rd-4th when Mercury conjuncts Jupiter in Gemini and both trine Pluto in early Aquarius - LOTS!!! of good fortune. 😜 And if you play the lottery on those dates and win, I want 1%. 🤑

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Reading the tea leaves

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George Boretos

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Although I like the cyclical pattern presented here, this one is more updated and closely follows/predicts historical and recent events, including WWII, the 70s oil crisis, and the 2009 global recession: https://www.futureup.io/post/predicting-a-global-crisis-using-ai

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    I have come across this picture by Samuel Benner multitudes of time so I asked GPT 4 about this and here is the response:"Samuel Benner's predictions, as outlined in his cycle, have seen mixed levels of accuracy when compared to historical financial events. Some of the key events that his cycle seemingly aligned and did not align with:Accurate:1. The Great Depression (1929 to 1941): Benner's cycle indicated that 1926 and prior were good times and 1927 was a period of panic, aligning reasonably well with the onset of the Great Depression.2. Oil Crisis (1973): The cycle predicted good economic times in 1972 and hard times in 1978, which aligns with the oil crisis that began in 1973.Black Monday (1987): Benner's cycle was a bit off, predicting this crash in 1985, but it was only a few years off.3. Dot Com Bubble (1995 to 2002): The cycle showed 1999 as a period of panic, coinciding with the Y2K bug fear and the dot com bubble burst in the early 2000s.4. The Financial Crisis (2007 to 2008): The cycle indicated prosperity in 2007, which aligns with the real estate investment boom before the crash.Inaccurate:- Post-1873 Predictions: After predicting the crises of 1819, 1837, 1857, and 1873, the Benner cycle became less accurate.- False Predictions in 1965 and 1999: The Benner cycle gave false predictions for these years. For instance, 1999 was anticipated as a year of significant market downturn, but instead, it was marked by the height of the dot-com bubble.- The 2019 Prediction: While Benner predicted a recession in 2019, the sharp, deep recession that was expected started a little later, in early 2020.While some of Samuel Benner's predictions have seemingly corresponded with historical financial events, the overall accuracy and reliability of his cycle are subject to debate. Financial experts generally advise against relying solely on such cycles for making investment decisions. These cycles, including Benner’s, are often criticized for their lack of scientific basis and should ideally be used in combination with other financial analysis tools. The inaccuracies in Benner's model, particularly in the context of modern financial markets, underscore its limitations. Originating from a framework focused on agricultural commodity prices and basic cyclical patterns, the cycle fails to encompass the myriad factors that now influence global financial systems. This gap highlights the necessity of integrating diverse and sophisticated approaches in financial planning and analysis."I still commend the accuracy of some of the events as predicted by such a simple diagram, yet I believe critical reasoning and thorough research are essential before making any bets.Here is a detailed analysis on it by the Rational Investor: \https://lnkd.in/gwhQcScZ#investing

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    #nadironayab This analysis is insanely accurate! Published in 1875 by Samuel Benner, it identifies years of panic, as well as periods when to make moneyThe 150-year-old Benner Cycle has predicted almost all major crises since the mid-1920s. It accurately foresaw the Great Depression, WW2, the Dot Com bubble, and the recent COVID crash.The Benner Cycle quite accurately predicted how the markets will perform in 2023 as well. We haven't seen a dramatic crash but:- Major stock indices like the S&P 500 did experience a decline in 2023 ending the year around 5% lower than its 2022 peak.- The global economy faced tough challenges with factors like inflation, rising interest rates, and the ongoing wars around the world contributing to economic uncertainty.Looking ahead, the Benner Cycle suggests that 2024 might be a year of gradual recovery, entering the "Prosperity Phase". This zone indicates a period of rising prices and economic expansion and a good time to buy assets.Fascinating 150-year-old math and logic.

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