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Pete

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Question asked by Pete 7 years ago

Sorry this may be quite a naïve question.

Is there a reason directors dividends don't show in P & L, whereas directors remuneration does?

Thanks

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Paul Scholes

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Hi Pete

The basic reason is that directors' salaries are an expenses of the business and effect the tax bill whereas dividends are a distribution of available profits after tax to shareholders, ie not an expense.

In your case one person can be both a director and a shareholder but their roles are completely separate.

As a distribution of profits dividends come out of the profit pot shown on the balance sheet, ie the retained undrawn profits brought forward at the start of the year, plus any profits made so far this year.

So if a company had £10,000 undrawn profits at the start of the year and had made £1,000 of profits after tax so far this year, they might want to pay a dividend of £11,000 but it would be wrong (and look silly) to show it as a reduction of this year's profit on the P&L.

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Theolonious Brady

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Hi Pete,

I would suggest speaking with an accountant to understand the reasoning that remunerations are included on the P&L and why Dividends are not.

Directors remuneration is not a default nominal account within Clear Books, so how this was created will also determine how this is represented in regards to the P&L or Balance sheet.

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Pete

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OK thanks, looks like that was set up by my previous accountant.

However there is a clear books default account salaries which is in P & L, and also a default dividends, which isn't, it shows as SOCE.

Are you able to tell me the reasoning (and what is SOCE?)

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Pete

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Correction: My Directors Remuneration IS the default salaries 4001001 just renamed.

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Theolonious Brady

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I see.

The salaries/remunerations account is considered a company expense and as such featured on the P&L. Whereas the Dividends account is considered as an Equity account, therefore, being featured on the Balance Sheet.

SOCE = Statement of Changes in Equity.

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Paul Scholes

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Hi Pete

The basic reason is that directors' salaries are an expenses of the business and effect the tax bill whereas dividends are a distribution of available profits after tax to shareholders, ie not an expense.

In your case one person can be both a director and a shareholder but their roles are completely separate.

As a distribution of profits dividends come out of the profit pot shown on the balance sheet, ie the retained undrawn profits brought forward at the start of the year, plus any profits made so far this year.

So if a company had £10,000 undrawn profits at the start of the year and had made £1,000 of profits after tax so far this year, they might want to pay a dividend of £11,000 but it would be wrong (and look silly) to show it as a reduction of this year's profit on the P&L.

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Pete

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Thanks!

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FAQs

Are dividends included in a profit and loss account? ›

Cash or stock dividends distributed to shareholders are not recorded as an expense on a company's income statement. Stock and cash dividends do not affect a company's net income or profit. Instead, dividends impact the shareholders' equity section of the balance sheet.

Where to show dividend in profit and loss account? ›

Before dividends are paid they should be recorded in the dividends payable account. After they are paid they should be recorded in the financing section of the statement of cash flows as a use of cash for the period.

How do you account for dividends in accounting? ›

To record a dividend, a reporting entity should debit retained earnings (or any other appropriate capital account from which the dividend will be paid) and credit dividends payable on the declaration date.

How do you treat proposed dividends in profit and loss account? ›

Proposed Dividends are shown as current liability in the balance sheet. Also, Dividends are distributed out of a company's accumulated earnings. As such, they are not an expense. So, a proposed dividend does not appear as an expense in a company's Profit and Loss Statement.

Does total P&L include dividends? ›

It includes realised and unrealised gains and losses on securities as well as dividends, currency fluctuations and trading fees.

Where should dividends paid be recorded? ›

Recording dividends in both retained earnings and cash balance: Once you make the dividend payment to investors, you record these dividends in the retained earnings and cash balance.

What is the accounting treatment for declared dividends? ›

On the initial date when a dividend to shareholders is formally declared, the company's retained earnings account is debited for the dividend amount while the dividends payable account is credited by the same amount. Retained Earnings → Debited [Dr.] Dividends Payable → Credited [Cr.]

Where to show interim dividend in profit and loss account? ›

An interim dividend, like the final dividend, is an appropriation of profits that has to be shown on the debit side of the profit and loss appropriation account.

Does dividend count as an expense? ›

Dividends are paid out of retained earnings, which is part of stockholders' equity on the balance sheet. Dividends are not considered an operating expense because they are not required to run the business in normal course of business. Just remember that there is no income statement impact for dividends!

What is the accounting entry for a dividend? ›

A cash dividend journal entry is made when a company decides to distribute a portion of its earnings to its shareholders. Initially, the cash dividend journal entry involves debiting the “Retained Earnings” account, which reduces the company's equity, and crediting “Dividends Payable,” signaling the commitment to pay.

What are the accounting rules for dividends? ›

Dividends Payable

In the general ledger hierarchy, it usually nestles under current liabilities. On the date of declaration, credit the dividend payable account. And as with debiting the retained earnings account, you'll credit the total declared dividend value. These two lines make the balance journal entry.

Where do dividends go on a balance sheet? ›

A common stock dividend distributable appears in the shareholders' equity section of a balance sheet, whereas cash dividends distributable appear in the liabilities section.

Do dividends come off profit and loss? ›

A dividend is a distribution to shareholders of retained earnings that a company has already created through its profit-making activities. Thus, a dividend is not an expense, and so it does not reduce a company's profits.

Is a dividend a debit or credit in profit and loss account? ›

An interim dividend, like the final dividend, is an appropriation of profits that has to be shown on the debit side of the profit and loss appropriation account. State whether the following statement are true or false. 1. Final Accounts are prepared on the basis of Trial Balance.

Are dividends included in gross profit? ›

Gross income includes wages, dividends, capital gains, business and retirement income as well as all other forms income.

What does dividends fall under in accounting? ›

After a company makes payments to clients, a company records the dividends in both retained earnings and cash balance. Paying dividends both reduces the cash on hand for a company and makes use of retained earnings, so accountants debit both books equal to the total cost of the dividends.

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